Category talk:Lyrics publications

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Books of Poetry

Is this an appropriate category for pages, such as Orlando Furioso, that are collections of text pages, even if by the same lyricist? Other such pages could include books such as Petrarch's Canzoniere or Sannazaro's Arcadia. Perhaps even books of the Bible(!). Anyway, you know what I mean: an analogy to Music publications, which often contain multiple works by the same composer. - GeoffG (talk) 22:21, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Yes! However, at the moment this category is a sub-category of Music publications. Good thinking. I have been considering (and several other editors have recommended) automating "Source of words" (on many pages already), to include Bible references along with references to the books in this category. ("Words" rather than "lyrics" – it's difficult for me to call Bible passages "lyrics".) The Bible system might have pages for individual books, but also pages for languages (where the texts (or external links to them) would reside), depending on copyright restrictions); the book pages would have a template linking to the language pages? What do you think? (This would be a long-term project, as I see it) — Barry Johnston (talk) 22:54, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
The way I see it "Lyrics publications" should not be subcategory of "Music publications" but a parallel category. "Lyrics publications" should be for sources of texts, such as books of poetry or books of the Bible, while "Music publications" should be for publications that have settings of texts, such as madrigals books or hymnals. Just as "Music publications" have Works pages as their contents, so a "Lyrics publication" should have Text pages as its contents. It is possible that a publication, such as Les Amours de P. de Ronsard Vandomoys (Pierre de Ronsard) can have both, in which case it should get both categories, but many others should have only one or the other. Orlando Furioso, for example, should only have "Lyrics publications" to my mind, since it does not contain any musical settings. I don't know enough about language categories and translations to really say, but I think a "Lyrics publication" page should exist for each source of text irrespective of its original language. - GeoffG (talk) 23:18, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
PS. I understand your discomfort with calling all texts "lyrics", but for the moment I am concerned with the categorizing and structure. Renaming might come later. The point is they are texts that are sung, an essential part of choral music. Why else would they get a page on a choral music site? - GeoffG (talk) 23:18, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
PPS. Also, what about a category "Theory publications"? I suppose only books such as Dodecachordon (Henricus Glareanus) that already have "Music publications" would ever need it. - GeoffG (talk) 23:18, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
I see your point. Okay, Lyrics publications would be a category. As you say, there are some publications that will have to be in both categories, such as Old Version and A Supplement to the New Version of Psalms, probably others. I will start going through and making re-assignments. When I last looked at this issue, I benefited from looking at many examples in Music publications, especially ones I didn't understand or were outside my personal interests.
I have a lot more thoughts on these topics, I need to have some time to ponder this. I will get back to it in a few days. Meanwhile, you might want to look at Category talk:Music publications and the subcategories of Category:Music publications. — Barry Johnston (talk) 04:01, 19 November 2022 (UTC)